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Proposed Canadian restrictions on sexbots

Post  regulate on Sat Nov 28, 2009 5:30 am

Le Trung might want to know about this:

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Re: Proposed Canadian restrictions on sexbots

Post  regulate on Sat Nov 28, 2009 5:32 am

The URLs didn't show up in my previous post, here are the proposed restrictions.

iankerr.ca/content/view/656/145/
iankerr.ca/content/view/640/145/

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Re: Proposed Canadian restrictions on sexbots

Post  regulate on Sat Nov 28, 2009 5:47 am

more URLs from the same site

iankerr.ca/content/view/657/145/
iankerr.ca/content/view/638/145/
iankerr.ca/content/view/652/145/

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Re: Proposed Canadian restrictions on sexbots

Post  ico on Sat Nov 28, 2009 6:05 am

The "people" who make such "laws" are probably gays or simply retarded.

Proposed Provisions re Sexbots: The Human-Robot Personal Relationship Act
"The provisions are specifically meant to target the concerns that were expressed at the roundtable that sexbots will negatively impact the pursuit for gender equality and may unduly emphasize the objectification of women as sexual objects."
1. The creation, use and sale of sexbots will be limited to the following purposes:
a. prostitution,
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3. No person shall own a sexbot.
4. Leasing of sexbots must be done with the prior approval
5.1 The use of sexbots in the privacy of one’s home is prohibited.
Controlling the Manufacture, Sale and Use of Sexbots
(2) No person shall own more than one sexbot at any given time.
(5) Sexbots are to be used solely for sexual acts.
(16) No sexbot shall be capable of exhibiting any human emotions including, but not limited to, love, desire, sadness and anger.
Human Sexbot Control Act, 2009
Exchange of Sexbots - Exchange or barter of personal sexbots is strictly prohibited by law and is punishable by a mandatory sentence of no less than two years.

I wonder, why there are no such restrictions for sex dolls ??
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Re: Proposed Canadian restrictions on sexbots

Post  nick11380 on Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:05 pm

This guy could be a problem. Dr Ian Kerr holds some position as professor of robot ethics at the University of Ottawa, and it appears that this fact gives him the ability to influence government policy and law making.

Although Aiko is NOT a sexbot, if this legislation is passed it could cause problems for Trung and Aiko. This legislation needs to be watched and fought.

http://www.theantifeminist.com/feminists-seek-legislation-over-sexbots/

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Human Sexbot Control Act, 2009

Post  Guest on Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:27 pm

1, 9, and 10 I agree with.
Actually 9 can be reworded a little better:
Must be in secure storage when not in use and must not be used by or seen in provocative or sexual poses by anyone under 18.

Just like the selling of violent video games in America, Canadian law shouldn't interfere with the parenting or lack of in private homes.
Like us, I'm sure you have a law that prevents sex toys used or seen by children.
Shouldn't a sex robot be considered the same until it has sentience?


"The provisions are specifically meant to target the concerns that were expressed at the roundtable that sexbots will negatively impact the pursuit for gender equality and may unduly emphasize the objectification of women as sexual objects."
1. The creation, use and sale of sexbots will be limited to the following purposes:
a. prostitution,
...
3. No person shall own a sexbot that looks like a human adult without consent of the sexbot.
4. Leasing of sexbots must be done with the prior approval of the sexbot.
5.1 The use of sexbots in the privacy of one’s home is prohibited if seen or used by a minor under 18.
Controlling the Manufacture, Sale and Use of Sexbots
(2) No person shall own more than one sexbot at any given time (unless you have the money to buy another). Rolling Eyes
(5) Sexbots are to be used solely for sexual acts (unless they are able to do something else).
(16) No sexbot shall be capable of exhibiting any human emotions including, but not limited to, love, desire, sadness and anger (unless there is a demand for a fetish that includes emotions).
Human Sexbot Control Act, 2009
Exchange of Sexbots - Exchange or barter of personal sexbots that look like children is strictly prohibited by law and is punishable by a mandatory sentence of no less than two years.

If sexbots are made to be like humans, they should be able to think and feel like humans, which includes to consenting to the use of her without giving her free will.

By the way, male sexbots exist as well, so these rules shouldn't apply just to females.

Did Canada get rid of all of their FHMs and Cosmos?

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Interactive Art

Post  Guest on Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:01 pm

This guy could be a problem. Dr Ian Kerr holds some position as professor of robot ethics at the University of Ottawa, and it appears that this fact gives him the ability to influence government policy and law making.

Although Aiko is NOT a sexbot, if this legislation is passed it could cause problems for Trung and Aiko. This legislation needs to be watched and fought.

You can bring censorship in interactive art in this group as well.
There is already a ban on non photographic child pornography, however banning adult pornography can be considered censorship in commercial transactions.

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Re: Proposed Canadian restrictions on sexbots

Post  Artilects rule! on Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:27 pm

You'll be happy to know, you guys (people in the robotics field and sex industry) won.
I'm not sure if they were serious in the first place.

Here is a letter I wrote to Ian Kerr about it:
http://iankerr.ca/content/view/656/145/
http://iankerr.ca/content/view/657/145/
http://iankerr.ca/content/view/640/145/

I'm sorry but I don't see what you hope to accomplish with this law.
The under 18 provisions are good (could use rewording), but the rest of it sounds too much like censorship of interactive art.
There is already a ban (in both our countries) about non photographic child pornography, but it's unconstitutional to dictate the lifestyle, social activities, and private activities of another.

"6. No person shall create, use, distribute, advertise, export and import sexbots which are made in the image of minors under the age of 18.
7. No sexbots shall be sold to minors under the age of 18."

These laws are pretty much redundant since your laws on child pornography, child molestation, and child trafficking mirrors our own.
The only problem is how do you tell what a sex robot is if it can but is not used for sex?
The answer is free will.
Robotic free will is not a reality just yet, but one can simulate this in a robot.
If robots and sexbots are supposed to be like humans in every way, the consent factor should be present (prostitutes can go in business for themselves liking sexual empowerment).

You also say something about objectifying women.
Aside from male sexbots being made as well, the stereotype "perfect woman" in sexual settings and poses have been going on forever.
Have you banned sexy magazines yet?

"(9) Every sexbot must be stored in a locked compartment and must not be in the presence of any person under the age of 18."
This is a good law but should be reworded:

"in a locked cabinet" should read "stored securely when not in use", and "in the presence of any persons under 18," should read "seen in use or in sexual poses by anyone under 18."

All other under 18 laws are good as well, but everything else is not good at all, and some are just plain ridiculous!

What good does it do to regulate private activities anyway?
What's the point of all this?

Stick to the rape game issue.
This is his response:
The remarks you are referring to are not mine but some of my students in a blogging assignment from a year ago. i intend to “unpublish” the blog soon as a new group of students will take the course next semester.
I don't think Mr. Trung has anything to worry about.

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Re: Proposed Canadian restrictions on sexbots

Post  schopenbecq on Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:21 pm

I would suggest that Project Aiko could be in trouble, at least become legally risky. How exactly does one 'prove' that an android or sex bot looks over 18? The girl in the banner at the top of the page clearly looks under 18. Anime (which the creator claims to be inspired by) is going to be 90% illegal when the virtual child pornography ban is introduced in Japan.

And comparisons with existing child pornography laws are misleading anyway. The supposed justification for such laws is that images of children lead to the real sexual abuse of children. However, a sex bot would be an actual substitute and would therefore surely lead to LESS real child abuse. Or am I missing something here?

Furthermore, if you extend the definition of 'image' to be a three dimensional image of a person under 18 then nearly every woman in the world breaks virtual child pornography laws when she applies skin cream to her face in the vain hope of recreating her own image as a 16 year old girl.

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Re: Proposed Canadian restrictions on sexbots

Post  schopenbecq on Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:24 pm

Readers might also be interested in the following article :

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/11/23/the-resistance-has-begun/

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Sex dolls VS Barbie

Post  Guest on Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:41 am

Even before Barbie in the 20s, little grown up dolls were exclusively for sexual fetishes (pre pinup).
These dolls were aimed at men and men only, and at the time, women were seen as window dressing of a man's power and title (1980s bling).

Now women are getting into the act, wanting to dress themselves provocatively as confidence boosters, using sexual empowerment over men (and liking it), and even get off by watching porn (for men) while they masturbate (putting themselves in the role of a sex object).

It seems to me women are just as guilty as men of encouraging the sex toy/sex doll industry.
I've seen some (semi graphic) infomercials of a sex toy site run exclusively by women (although a few men are on the staff).
The concept behind that is: "Who knows more about what a woman feels down there than another woman?"

I don't see why she is blasting men only when the most sexual magazines are run by women, and have been since the 70s.

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Post  Artilects rule! on Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:19 pm

schopenbecq wrote:I would suggest that Project Aiko could be in trouble, at least become legally risky. How exactly does one 'prove' that an android or sex bot looks over 18? The girl in the banner at the top of the page clearly looks under 18. Anime (which the creator claims to be inspired by) is going to be 90% illegal when the virtual child pornography ban is introduced in Japan.

And comparisons with existing child pornography laws are misleading anyway. The supposed justification for such laws is that images of children lead to the real sexual abuse of children. However, a sex bot would be an actual substitute and would therefore surely lead to LESS real child abuse. Or am I missing something here?

Furthermore, if you extend the definition of 'image' to be a three dimensional image of a person under 18 then nearly every woman in the world breaks virtual child pornography laws when she applies skin cream to her face in the vain hope of recreating her own image as a 16 year old girl.
I had to log in for this one.

You are getting two issues mixed up.
The one you are thinking of is a possible possession of lolicon ban in Japan in the future, emulating our Protect Act of 2003.
The Japanese Government decided there should be more studies done to prove lolicon is to blame for increasing child rape in Japan.
Manga is also on the censorship hitlist, and eventually all anime characters (ratings 13+ and up) will be looked at carefully and censored in Cartoon Network style.

The girl in the banner is Chii from Chobits.
She is a Persocom (Clamp name) who looks more like an elf than human.

This sexbot story is just a rumor that has gotten out of control.
It was speculation from a University that a robotic bill will eventually be formed and unofficial contributions of what should be in it.
The rules are opinions only, not future restrictions.
Aside from Aiko, I see no evidence a machine (weather mobile or not) in human form exists in Canada, therefore there is no demand for such rules.

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You have all been taken for a ride

Post  reason on Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:38 am

You are all (with the exception of Artilects rule!) the victims of your own laziness and ignorance.

Ian Kerr is a (well respected) prof at a Canadian university. As such, he spends a lot of his time thinking about the future of technology, ethics and the law. That is his job. Part of his job includes getting his students to think about possible legal reactions/responses to technology. The post you are all referring to was written by one of his students, in response to a course assignment that asked "how do you think policy makers might respond to a world with hi-fidelity sexbots, especially in light of concerns about issues of gender?"

That's right. The post was a hypothetical reaction from the perspective of a hypothetical feminist.

What makes me laugh (in part at the lonely men out there who are so desperately seeking sexbots) is how ridiculous your understanding of the Canadian legal framework seems to be. Individual professors do not have the ability to make law, a fact that, incredibly, seems lost on most of the angry respondents out there in the gimme-my-sexbots blogosphere.

The original diatribe, written by Schopenbecq at "the Anti-Feminist" I can only describe as an utterly uninformed blog judging by the complete lack of understanding and mischaracterization of everything and anything feminist, and one that most feminists would fail to recognize as responding to their work in any way (because it doesn't)--is a perfect example of why every first year university student (and every high school student if the teachers I know are telling the truth) is warned not to believe everything they read on the internet.

I assume Schopenbecq either a) skipped that class, b) was asleep during that class, c) didn't finish high school, or d) doesn't consider integrity the least bit important, or e) all or many of the above.

Whatever the case he, and you all, have fallen subject to the same laughable reaction. In short, you are all victims of your own intellectual laziness.

To think you have all lost your cool over a fake legal brief written by a student. Ha. Hahahahahahahaha.

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Post  Arti on Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:51 pm

You are all (with the exception of Artilects rule!) the victims of your own laziness and ignorance.
Thanks for that, but I'm afraid I am still ignorant about just how Parliament works.
I thought it was British anyway.

There is a ruling however about graphically violent and mature actions displayed in public, so I assume sex robots would have to be sold, owned, and used in private.
Again the question comes up "How do you know what a sex robot is if she isn't used for sex?"
A similar question to "How do you know your girlfriend's a hooker if she isn't working?"

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Post  schop on Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:08 pm

That's right. The post was a hypothetical reaction from the perspective of a hypothetical feminist.

What makes me laugh (in part at the lonely men out there who are so desperately seeking sexbots) is how ridiculous your understanding of the Canadian legal framework seems to be. Individual professors do not have the ability to make law, a fact that, incredibly, seems lost on most of the angry respondents out there in the gimme-my-sexbots blogosphere.

There was NO indication on the page (which has now been removed) that this was merely a student essay. In fact, I 'm not sure I even believe that as I have read another article using almost the same words attributed directly to Ian Kerr.

The article suggested that a lobby group had formed, under the head of Ian Kerr, which was advising the government on new laws concerning sex bots. Feminist lobby groups just need to click their fingers these days and governments make laws that criminilize millions of men.

In fact I document them every week on my blog Feminism is the rape of the male.

By the way, it's not a question of being lonely to want sexbots, it's simply a matter of recognising that most females are flawed creatures who can only get laid by locking up or stigmatising men who refuse to have sex with them and who seek alternatives. We also recognise that sexbots will soon be able to satisfy men's needs far more than any real woman. No wonder feminists are terrified. You should be.

You are getting two issues mixed up.
The one you are thinking of is a possible possession of lolicon ban in Japan in the future, emulating our Protect Act of 2003.
The Japanese Government decided there should be more studies done to prove lolicon is to blame for increasing child rape in Japan.
Manga is also on the censorship hitlist, and eventually all anime characters (ratings 13+ and up) will be looked at carefully and censored in Cartoon Network style.

The girl in the banner is Chii from Chobits.
She is a Persocom (Clamp name) who looks more like an elf than human.

Sorry artilectsrule, but I haven't got anything mixed up. Japan is under huge pressure from feminist sexual lobby groups to come into line with the United Nations convention on the rights of the child, which consisted mainly in defining a child as anyone under 18 and banning any image of a person who appears to be under 18 (even a cartoon) in any sexual context. Any ban on manga and anime will be done under new virtual child pornography laws that will potentially criminilize most japanse sex dolls (i.e. candydolls) and any future sexbots.

By the way, Japan has one of the lowest rates of child rape in the world and when there is a child rape in Japan, more often than not it is done by a member of the American military serving there.

If the 'elf' in the banner was naked then it would be classified as child porn in every country which has implemented the UN definition of child porn (and which Japan will shortly be doing).

Aiko could well be considered to look under 18 and if that is the case then she could fall foul of virtual child pornography laws.

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